Reactive Training Systems

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Mike Tuchscherer wrote:

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Just like with Jordan's videos, I can't tell a lot from the front. It's hard to tell what position you are in when you start and when the bar passes your knees.

Regarding Ed's style of pulling, that may or may not be something for you to immitate. Ed has developed his own style (Ricky Crain talks about this: there is proper technique and then style differences within proper technique). Ed also has control over his inefficiencies, and as a result, they aren't inefficient for him anymore. If you do the same, that's fine. My setup on conventional pulling is probably not 100% efficient, but I have control over it and it is well rehersed, so it helps me rather than hurts me (style). So, if you can do the same, great. It's time to be honest with yourself too, because if you're not, it will only result in less weight lifted.

Back to your videos: I'm not saying lockout work without a doubt won't help you. Given enough evidence, I could make a fairly accurate assessment of whether it would or not, but I'm not real interested in that. I'm more interested in teaching you how to make the assessment, which is why I'm being so difficult.
So, will lockout work help? Maybe, but like my doctor's analogy before, first we should get an accurate diagnosis of the problem, then figure out the proper treatment. You mention adding RDL back to your program. I understand this has worked in the past, but it may or may not work now. I would say since you pull conventional, there will be *some* neuromuscular efficiency gained, but the real purpose is to drive morphological changes. If that's what you need, then this has a better chance of working (provided nothing else in the program takes away from it overall).

As I've said before, weakness correction is about so much more than just doing work for triceps and hamstrings.

I'm going to leave it at that for now. Let me know if this is making sense and we can explore it further if you like.

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Yeah, it makes sense, Im just thinking back to when I had a decent deadlift, I was doing 210kg at 19 years old and after a few months deadlifting, and I use to deadlift closer to the ground. Like you said the lower your hips are to the ground, the easier it is to lockout, and with my leg power, maybe it would be better for me.

I always have a reason for doing something. Also with the Ed Coan style technique it enabled me to have a straight lower back  which is what I fail to do with any other technique. Maybe thats more important than anything. Thing is you look at the 220kg first attempt and theres lot more power, then I look at the 240kg 2nd deadlift, and power is still there, now whats stopping me from posting a 30kg PB in this comp? Does it look like I have more in me, so I have been told it does. I actually think right now I can get 260kg up to my knees. But I can do that with lot less weight and still not go anywhere.

Louie Simmons said yuore only as strong as your weakness, and with deadlift you got to train the weak part. As far I see it.

1)technique is rubbish

2)lockout is rubbish

what I need to do to address these

1) Change to Ed Coan style technique

2) Rackpulls

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Jordan Linteris wrote:

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I know the same topic has already been brought up, but I have used rack pulls for sometime with basically no gain. I switched to reverse bands giving me assistance for the first 6-8 inches of the lift. This has an immediate and constant turnover in my deadlift. Personally I scrapped rack pulls. As soon as I added reverse band when I started RTS I went from 600ish raw, to 705 raw in a pretty short period of time. It taught me to be as fast as possible off of the floor to outrun the momentum.

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Mike Tuchscherer wrote:

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Little D.J. wrote:

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LOLOL! yea tony loves the chains!!

Yea tony and i (before i got hurt) always did rack pulls. We train in 8 week cycles. My best raw pull is 640 which i got from alternating heavy below the knee rack pulls with heavy pulls off a 4 inch block every other week (just completely dominating both ends of the lift to there extremes ya know). Than i did an 8 week cycle just for the hell of it where i did a week off the 4 inch block and than the opposite week i pulled of the floor with bands....i ended hitting a hard 600, no where NEAR 640. I think you'd be much better off working in the rack bro. Do midshin and below knee work. ABove knee is cool once every 8-12 weeks or so because your gonna jack up like 250 lbs more than u can deadlift which is cool to just completley shock your body, but they wont transfer over to your overall deadlift.
Have fun with it man, mess around with different rack heights and stuff, you'll enjoy it a lot. Band pulls, id just use for speed work, but they should be NO substitute for heavy straight weight rack work IMO.

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 Again, not trying to single out anyone's experience, but please consider the possibility that more is at play than just the exercises here.  Just a couple of things that could have happened (off the top of my head):
Maybe your efficiency in the contest movement tanked
Maybe your preparedness tanked from doing 2 8-week comp cycles concurrently
Maybe your functional state was crappy because of... any of a million possibilities
Maybe the band tension used caused the load to be too high
Maybe the protocol was changed (you would know) that resulted in too much volume/intensity/training stress
Maybe your squat/bench program changed that drew too much from your current adaptive reserves

Again, not singling out your experience, but this does happen a lot -- when we try something and it doesn't work the way we think it should, we scrap it without considering the other variables at play.  I'm guilty of this too from time to time.  If you had changed any of a number of variables, maybe it would've worked like a charm.  I'm just saying there's nothing magical about a rack pull or band deadlifts.  They are like medicine.  If you give viagra to an AIDS patient and the patient isn't healed, does the medicine not work or is the doctor an idiot?

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I think it took me about 4 months to gain 100 pounds on my pull. Maybe a few weeks longer. I could look on my log but I am too lazy. Lol. I used strongbands and had them set at 5'6 and I am 6'2 so the bands went dead on me midshin. As far as I remember, the band has no bar contact before lockout. Talk to Mike about rack pulls above the knee and see what he thinks. To me that would be rather useless since you can get under the bar to stand up with it rather than being wedged in the position where your leg drive is completely gone and your lower back is the only option of locking out the weight. Another thing, from the lack of knowledge I have, I still wouldnt go three weeks at a time without pulling from the floor. I would do it weekly. When I even miss a single week I notice it. The deads just dont feel as natural, or as powerful as when I do them weekly.

 

cool Ill look into that, the point of rackpulls above knee were for lower back strength only nothing much, Ive done 1 session of reverse band deadlift last week but did them wrong, bar wasnt off the bands at all, this I will change.

 

to little DJ, Im stronger in the suit but not by much, if your floor power is stronger in the suit and weak at lockout compared to raw, to me that suggests you need greater lockout power, otherwise we would all be benching raw and squatting raw in meets due to this issue

 

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